was not happy with the look of the HS810-1... soooo I re-measured the edge distances for the rivets and found I was short on 2 measures. hummed and hawed... and decided to replace the piece... drilled it out at the same time re-looked at the HS404 and didn't like its measure either.... ordered new ones from Vans. Will put aside the HS for now and focus on the rest
